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It is okay for Muslim countries to ban bibles and trash their minorities...not okay for a Christian (Switzerland) country to ban minarets
Wednesday, December 02, 2009
Kuala Lumpur confiscated, believe it or not, 10,000 Bibles. In March, another 5,100 Bibles, imported from Indonesia, were impounded, the Associated Press reports. “[The Bibles] contained the word Allah to refer to God,” BBC reported. “The government, which is dominated by Muslim Malays, claims that the word Allah is Islamic. And its use in Bibles could upset Muslims.”“Church officials say that the word Allah originated in Arabic,” BBC pointed out. “Malays have used it for centuries to refer generally to God. And Arabic-speaking Christians used it before Islam was founded.” They are banning bibles meant for Christians in "moderate and modern" Malaysia.

No one blinks when a boiler-plate dictatorship, like North Korea, bans books. But a 21st century Asean member like Malaysia? Penalties for swapping the Lord’s name can be three years in the slammer. Or a fine of up to $5,200. Or both. Clamping a patent on the Divinity’s name can lead to farce. Kuala Lumpur earlier banned the Bup Kudus. This is the Bible used by Ibans, largest of Sarawak’s 27 indigenous groups. It calls God “Allah Taala”—provoking suppression. There’s no comparable term in Iban, Christians protested. KL grudgingly scrapped the ban—but only for Ibans.

So where is the broad named, Navi Pillay the United Nations human rights chief,a subservient Dhimmi, doing the biddings of her masters, she criticised a Swiss vote banning minarets, when Malaysia too needs a criticism and maybe a kick up the butt or two. She, is controlled by 57 'Oh I See' countries, where she is blind to atrocities inflicted on minorities in the said 57 countries. Hypocrisy!

Why did the Swiss actually vote to ban the minarets? The surprising vote reveals rather a growing unease in Switzerland, which traditionally has been one of the most open and most tolerant countries of the continent: Many Swiss are worried about the rise of political Islam and religious rules in Europe that are threatening hard-won rights such as equal rights for women and men, the secular rule of law above religion or the right of each individual to decide for him -- or herself. This was fueled by a number of incidents over the last years:

The former Imam of a mosque in Geneva, Hani Ramadan, a Swiss citizen by the way, publicly justified the stoning of adulterers or the punitive amputation of the hand of a thief. Muslim parents prevented their daughters from attending swimming classes, gymnastics or summer camps in public schools because they didn't want their girls to be together with boys. Media reports about forced marriages, female genital mutilations and "honor killings" of Muslim women - all confirmed by authorities or in court -- came as a shocking surprise. A university professor even went as far as to suggest in an official publication of a federal commission to introduce elements of the Sharia, the Muslim legal system, into Switzerland. Not forgetting the PM of "moderate secular" Turkey who actually instigated the whole issue by saying, “Mosques are our barracks, domes our helmets, minarets our bayonets.”

Then there is this Paki broad (a hypocrite named Asma Jahangir, UN special rapporteur on freedom of religion or belief and chairperson Human Rights Commission of Pakistan) who says, "Swiss minaret ban 'extreme Islamophobia". She further adds ‘I therefore urge the Swiss authorities to abide by all its international obligations and to take the necessary measures to fully protect the right to freedom of religion or belief of members of the Muslim community’. That is rich coming from a Paki, when they kill, maim and oppress their minorities with impunity.

Let us look at another "paragon" of human rights, Iran condemns Swiss minaret ban as "Islamophobic act". Is that not hypocrisy, Iran’s late Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini had explained that non-Muslims rank between “feces” and “the sweat of a camel that has consumed impure food.” Thus Iran’s Zoroastrians, Jews, Mandeans, Christians, and Bahais are subordinated and indeed treated as a fifth column by the revolutionary Islamic Republic. No matter that most of these religious groups were established in Iran before Islam arrived there. They actually conduct religious cleansing enthusiastically, of course the UN and the other Muslim countries turn a blind eye to that.

Another hypocritic nation, Egypt, the gall of Egypt’s Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa who lashed out at Switzerland voters’ decision to ban minaret construction in the European country on Monday is exactly blatant hypocrisy.Christians in the Arab country have voiced their concern of what they are calling the “hypocrisy” of Egyptian society.They question whether Egypt, which has been forceful in its refusal to allow the construction of churches in recent years, is in a position to criticize the Swiss move. “This proposal…is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland,” Gomaa added.

But, for Christians in Egypt, they are demanding honesty as critics asunder argument upon argument against the Swiss move, which was not supported by business circles, the government or religious leaders. “I was shocked to hear of what happened in Switzerland, but to be honest, I find it even more strange that Muslim leaders are saying what they are saying when almost the exact same thing happens in Egypt,” said Maged Idris, a local pharmacist in Cairo. “They should not be so quick to judge that’s all.”

Coptic lawyer Naguib Gobrail, a firebrand leader, has voiced his concern over Gomaa and others’ statements over the Swiss vote. He said that Egyptians should see the realities of their own country before criticizing the European nation. He argued that until Egypt makes it nearly impossible for new churches to be built, “so why should they have any right to say the things they are saying.”

He added that their statements are an “insult to Christians” living in Egypt who have been forced to face “injustice upon injustice over their basic rights.” He continued to say that no matter what leaders in the country say, Christians know the truth.“We have lived under constant threat for a long time and have been unable to even build our places to worship because the government won’t give us the proper permission. Now, Switzerland does something very racist and stupid, but Muslims in this country must understand that they do the same thing to us,” Gobrail argued.

Here are more details on how Copts are treated in Egypt.

Turkey? Aaaah Turkey, The Wall Street Journal story on the Swiss minaret vote had a great quote in it, from a Jamal-on-the-street interview in Turkey (the source of most Muslims in Switzerland):Cavid Aksin, an Istanbul metalworker, was angered that the referendum coincided with the end of one of the most important religious feasts in the Muslim calendar. "I think Turkey should have a referendum on whether to close down its churches," he said.You mean churches like Hagia Sophia? Or the Armenian Church of the Holy Cross? Or the Halki Seminary? After 1,400 years of closing down churches, the gall is unbelievable. National Review

I will not even talk about Saudi Arabia's treatment of Non Muslims comparing it with Switzerland, it will be damned insulting to Switzerland.

Saved the best for last, our neighbour, the Indon Government: Swiss Ban on New Minarets Unacceptable : The government on Tuesday expressed its disapproval of any action curbing rights of religious observance, specifically the Swiss referendum this week banning the construction of minarets.

Okay, you Indons, how about the following:

Indonesian Theology Students Withstand Threats, Illness JAKARTA, Indonesia, December 1 (CDN) — Some 1,000 seminary students are resisting efforts to evict them from the former municipal building of West Jakarta where they have taken refuge after Muslim protestors drove them from their campus last year. On Oct. 27 officials began ....Published in 2009

Seminary Students in Indonesia Evicted from Two Locations
JAKARTA, Indonesia, October 30 (CDN) — In the past week hundreds of students from Arastamar Evangelical Theological Seminary (SETIA) were evicted from two sites where they had taken refuge after Muslim protestors drove them from their campus last year. With about 700 students ....Published in 2009

Islamists Bully Villagers into Revoking Church Permit
JAKARTA, Indonesia, October 26 (CDN) — The regent of Purwakarta regency, West Java has revoked his decision to permit construction of a Catholic worship building in Cinanka village after Islamists threatened residents into withdrawing their approval of the project. Dedi Mulyadi on Oct. ....Published in 2009

This post would be very long, if I posted all of the Indon's intolerance, so just go to the site.

Here is another view in blunt language, no beating around the bush : Democracy versus the Muslim Bayonet
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